Saturday, 13 September 2008

so, how does our home minister reply to use of ISA?

reproduced below from star online our home minister's explanation why the ISA was used on the 3 persons. only a fool would accept such ludicrous explanation. the reb's comments are in between in bold. your move - which is more ludicrous? the home minister's comments or the reb's?:

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/13/nation/20080913193115&sec=nation

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KUALA LUMPUR: Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid said he did not order the arrests of the three people under the Internal Security Act (ISA.

(if he is the home minister, then what is he doing?)

He said the action was taken by the police themselves under Section 73(1) based on their assessment of the current situation as they had “strong and good reason” to believe that conflict could happen and public order could be jeopardised.

(so what are the 'strong' and 'good' reasons? if 'strong'? then say it and tell us. if 'good', for who?)

“Under this action, the police need not refer to me. It’s their discretion and their assessment of what happened. There has been no malice on their part,” he said Saturday at a press conference at Bukit Aman here.

(after all the recent incidents and bashing about the police, you think public confidence in them is high? stop dreaming!)

As Home Minister he said he was informed of the police decision but did not interfere with it.
Asked if he thought the police action was justified, Syed Hamid said: “If I start to interfere with the administration of enforcement then it’s difficult.”

(then what is the Home Minister for? Sit at 'home' maybe)

“I am a minister. I am a politician. If I start to interfere, then people will say I have a political motive. It will send the wrong signals. I cannot interfere. This has to be done in accordance with the police exercise of their powers,” he said.

(might as well pack up and go home and have one less minister post to save rakyat's money to pay a non-working non-effective minister)

Syed Hamid said the police had taken strong notice that there was concern on the ground among the public who felt not so safe as the race issue might result in open conflict and racial fights and some people were even stocking up food.

(which portion of the public? has any sectors started stocking food? was this reported in the newspapers? was there panic buying? or are all these imaginary in the head of our home minister or the police high-ups?)

“People may agree or disagree with the police position but they are in the best position to judge and I think they have done exactly that,” he said denying that the ISA arrests had nothing to do with the Sept 16 date set by Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to take over the government.
He said the current move was not a political move but due to a national threat.

(national threat? who are you trying to fool? who made the racist remark first? why not arrest him under ISA too? or because rais yatim says he shouldn't be detained under the ISA first but be given a chance or be charged with other Acts like sedition act?  but still no charge on this guy is made even after police received police reports made by many political parties)

On Friday, the police arrested Malaysia Today editor Raja Petra Kamaruddin, Seputeh MP and Kinrara assemblyman Teresa Kok and Sin Chew Daily reporter Tan Hoon Cheng under the ISA.
Tan was released Saturday afternoon.

Syed Hamid said the police had detained Tan because they had received information that her life was being threatened and there might be possible injury to her and the police wanted to get to the bottom of it.

(are you saying that police will detain people because they are suspected to be threatened? so, offer instead police round-the-clock protection, not detain that person under ISA to protect him/her! or, arrest the guy who threatened the reporter in public! that is also reported in the media and even a video tape is available and a police report made. again, why take so long to investigate? there is recorded proof. what illogical logic to arrest people in order to protct them! better to arrest the real culprits to protect the public from them)

Tan was the reporter who first reported on Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail’s allegedly racist comments during the Permatang Pauh by-election in which he said the Chinese were “squatters” in the country.

(syabas to her and her courage! if not for her, the nation would not know of such incidents. she should be rewarded for fair-minded journalism by NUJ)

This caused a furore among the non-Malays and led to Umno giving him a three-year suspension for his comments and actions.

(who caused the furore in the first place? the one who made the racist remark or the one who reported it?)

Syed Hamid said the police thought it was best to get first-hand information from Tan and thus took her in under the ISA and released her a day later after they got the necessary information and found no reason to hold her.

“I don’t think we are being unfair or that we mistreated her in any way. We acted professionally and after a day released her,” he said, when asked if Tan had posed a security threat in any way.
Asked why the police did not just ask Tan to come in for questioning instead of arresting her, Syed Hamid said it was always difficult when it came to the police when dealing with reporters.

“All of us are subject to the law. When the police feel it is best to bring the person in under ISA, they do so. I think the most important thing is not to exercise unfairness. When they got what they wanted and found they had no reason to hold her and that she’s not a security threat and not disturbing public order, they released her immediately,” he said.

(so, why don't the police go and ask her in her home or place of work to provide further information? or ask her to go to the nearest police station to give her information? do you think she will not go if they ask her nicely? why the need to send a team to 'arrest' her under ISA just to ask her for info? or is this the way we do things in malaysia? sent a swat team in balacalva to arrest anwar just because they 'think' he is not going to report to the police station?)

On Raja Petra, he said, the blogger had been given numerous warnings as well as been charged but he continued to create tension.

(so, charge him in the Islamic court if he has insulted Islam. if he has 'created tension' in the country, charge him in the civil courts. why use the oppresive ISA which allows for detentiopn without trial for 60 days and up to 2 years in jail wihout trial and the possibility of further extension of detention to limitless years?)

As for Kok, he said, she had supposedly questioned the sensitive issues such as the azan (call for prayers for Muslims) to be stopped and that could cause ill will and disharmony.
“Based on police work, they have found there has been real fear on the ground because people are worried of what can possibly happen,” he said.

(already the puchong mosque commmittee said she is not involved in the residents' petition. the organizer of the petition also denied her involvement. so, who passed the rumour around? why not also send utusan malaysia a warning letter for reporting that rumour? accord them the same treatment given to sin chew daily. why not haul khir toyo up under ISA for making that rumour as he is stroking religious tensions? toyo can still be hauled up under ISA because the police wants to ask him for more information. same fair equal treatment to all races)

On why Ahmad was not detained for making racist comments, he explained that Umno had already punished him by suspending him for three years and stripping him from the party post while the police was also still investigating a sedition report against him.

(so, if a poltical party passes an internal form of punishment on the perpetrator of the remark, is that deemed sufficient not to warrant a higher level of punishment? newspapers reported yesterday the investigation is already completed, now you say it is still on-going. either you really do not know your job or you just makan gaji- buta)

When asked why action was not taken against other politicians like Datuk Seri Khir Toyo for racist remarks made, he said people should stop looking at things from an ethnic angle and start thinking as Malaysians.

(hey, hey, why change the tune here? how can there be 2 forms of treatment? if everyone think like good malaysians, nothing like these will need to happen in the first place)

To a question, Syed Hamid said he did not believe the Government would call a state of emergency because the country was well under control and “we have taken all sorts of preventive measures.”

(sure, with ISA being used, the country is seemingly 'under control'. maybe not this time. the rakyat will surely speak out this time. enough is enough! maybe this time the government will learn the hard lesson. it is time for the government to go. it hasn't learn from the march 8th elections. it is too recalcitrant. there has to be a harsher lesson. it is time to go.)

mini-Operation Lalang 2008

latest: tan hoon cheng has been released from ISA and back in her home in bukit mertajam (just as the reb had previously envisaged. all this for show for the government to flex its muscles and then try to be 'nice' and compassionate and release her. but it still leaves a black mark on the government as the reb had insisted which will not go away).

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all open-minded readers should read what lim kit siang. himself detained under ISA twice, has to say about the recent mini-Operation Lalang 2008 (as he calls it): 


also what bakri musa has written in kit siang's blog about the 'cavemen from putrajaya' trying to silence raja petra:


some thoughts from goh keat peng, himself a founding member of kedailan and a faithful methodist christian, on his blog:


another prominent malaysian blogger, harris ibrahim of the people's parliment, has this to say in his blog (he admits he may be next on the ISA list):


and rocky bru's blog:


on whatever the reasons for teresa kok's arrest, read this:


the ISA must go











picture from Star
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/13/nation/2022362&sec=nation


the inevitable has happened. first, they detained raja petra for his vocal criticisms of the government under the guise of blasphemy against Islam. if one reads what raja petra has written on 'Not all arabs are descended from the prophet', these 'criticisms' against Islam are untrue. he speaks with truth and clarity and conviction. if the government go for one blogger, others will be next. see harris ibrahim's latest blog entry. very good advice - don't fall into the government 's trap. some people inside are just trying to stir up hatred and strife and then the government takes the opportunity to use the ISA and arrest opposition politicians as well and the result is simple: no pakatan takeover of the government.


then they arrested the sin chew daily reporter, tan hoon cheng, for reporting a racist remark. i commented on facebook yesterday that this is the most absurd and ridiculous reason. the perpetrator who first spoke the racist remark only gets a 3 years' suspension from his party and not arrested under the ISA. the reporter who reported the racist remark gets to be detained under the ISA. even if the government try to be nice and released her now, that would still be a black mark on the government who should not have detained her in the first place. as a reporter, she does her duty to report what is happening in the country and expose the scams and shame of narrow-minded racists. this is a form on intimidation of the press: shut up!  


then they arrested teresa kok, sassy mp for puchong, for allegedly disparating Isalem by calling the mosques to silence their azans. that is a false charge brought about by the former menteri besar toyo. the mosques themselves have deny the charge. or are they arresting her for insisting that the road signs should have three langauges, bahasa malaysia, english, and chinese, instead of jawi? whichever the charge, it is unwarranted for her to be arrested withour trial under the ISA. if she has committed sedition as alleged, then use the appropriate law, not the draconian ISA. silencing the more vocal criticis of the opposition politicians is just first step. who else may be detained? even penang chief minister lim guan eng may not be spared.


see my previous blog entries on why the ISA should be abolished:


http://oldtestamentpassion.blogspot.com/search/label/ISA


click this link to see a ppt presentation on the origins of the ISA and why it is outdated:



http://aloke6.bravehost.com/ISA/isa.swf



for overseas readers, you can click this link to read one of the local newspaper's report:

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20080913003452/Article/index_html


The ISA must Go!!!




This inept government under Badawi must go!!!




Syed Hamid doesn't know what he is speaking!


Friday, 12 September 2008

malaysian blogger detained under ISA


malaysia's most famous blogger, raja petra, was detained under the ISA (internal security act) this afternoon at 1.50pm. 

yesterday when the government ordered the lifting of the ban on his website malaysia today. the hints were already there that the government would go after its most vocal internet critic with the other laws especially the draconian ISA. 

now all malaysia and the world wait and see what will develop from all these. 

in the meanwhile, all christians and people of other faiths, we remember raja petra and his wife in our prayers. 


First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.


by Pastor Martin Neimoller

" We must always speak out when injustice is done against other people and not think that we will not be the victims of that injustice ourselves. Always, injustice against others succeeds when good men and women stand aside and do or say nothing."  by Mr Ace Magashule

update on 'the question'



2 friends have sent in their contributions to 'the question: why did the chicken cross the road?'. 

the reb has also added 4 of his own contributions. read all of them here (just scroll to the bottom):


send in your contributions to the reb!!

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p.s. the blog from where the original entries can be found is below:


on this blog can be found other original contributions:


for singaporean versions, check this link:


and christian versions of the question, see here:



Thursday, 11 September 2008

'theology and the dog'

this sunday i will be preaching on ecclesiastes chapter 9 in wesley methodist church segamat. i have been preaching through one chapter of the book of ecclesiastes per sermon per month and have reached chapter 9.


there is this interesting verse in the chapter that is often quoted elsewhere:


'...for a living dog is better than a dead lion.' (9:4b)



this reminds me of a peanuts comic strip some years ago entitled 'theology and the dog'. snoopy is typing on his typewriter and gives what he has typed to charlie brown to read. it says, "as it says in the ninth chapter of ecclesiastes, 'a living dog is better than a dead lion'". so, charlie brown asks snoopy, "what does it mean?" to which snoopy replies, '"i don't know but i agree with it".




so, what exactly does it mean? many people would agree with the Preacher's comment in 9:4b and have some sense of empathy with him although not knowing exactly why!




the saying is simple enough but the interpretation is many. here are two:




1] to be alive and fight another day even to the point of cowardice is far better than to be a dead hero. what is the point of being a hero but the type who dies in trying to save others? it is better to be still alive to fight another day than to give into a pointless self-sacrifice that does no good or bring no fruit in the end. to save one's life to live and fight another day is not seen as cowardice but as smartness!




2] to have a life like a dog is still far better than death itself. in OT times, 'dog' was a word often used in a derogradotry sense. the word refer to the scavengers that roam the streets and eating food off rubbish heaps. hence, these 'dogs' were despised and the term was used to refer to one's enemies. to 'live a life like a dog' was therefore to have a despised life. yet, in terms of the other alternative which is death, life even if it is a dog's life is far better than death which ends everything.




the Preacher was obviously reminding people in this chapter of the Latin phrase 'memento mori' (remember that we must die). that is why after vv. 1-6, the Preacher admonishes his readers with one his 7 'eat and drink' passages. if life is going to be short, go and eat and drink. enjoy your short vain life to the full before it comes to an end.




now, that's calls for a celebration!

Monday, 8 September 2008

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Sunday, 7 September 2008

the question

this came through the email sometime back. cannot resist putting it up on my blog. i always like this question as the answers are endless. with the US elections coming, one can ask the presidential hopefuls the answer to this question. or ask some other notable personality elsewhere in the world.


but friends, the best answers are still from malaysia (where someone commented, 'there is never a dull moment in Bolehland!") and our neighbour Singapore.


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WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?

Answers from the USA

BARACK OBAMA:
The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a CHANGE! The chicken wanted CHANGE!


JOHN MC CAIN:

My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road.


HILLARY CLINTON:

When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure -- right from Day One! -- that every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really isn't about me.......


DR. PHIL:

The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on 'THIS' side of the road before it goes after the problem on the 'OTHER SIDE' of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his 'CURRENT' problems before adding 'NEW' problems.

OPRAH:
Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I ' m going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.

GEORGE W. BUSH:
We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.


COLIN POWELL:

Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road...


JOHN KERRY:
Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.

NANCY GRACE:
That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.

PAT BUCHANAN:
That chicken crossed the road to steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.

MARTHA STEWART:
No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.


DR SEUSS:
Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.


GRANDPA:

In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.


ERNEST HEMINGWAY:

To die in the rain. Alone.

JERRY FALWELL:
Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth? That's why they call it the "other side". Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white washes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side." That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.


ARISTOTLE:
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.


JOHN LENNON:

Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together, in peace.


BILL GATES:

I have just released eChicken2007, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your check book.

Internet Explorer is an integral part of the Chicken. This new platform is much more stable and will never cra...#@&&^(C%

.......... reboot.


ALBERT EINSTEIN:

Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?


BILL CLINTON:

I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What is your definition of chicken?


ALGORE:

I invented the chicken!


COLONEL SANDERS:

Did I miss one?


DICK CHENEY:

Where's my gun?

AL SHARPTON:
Why are all the chickens white? We need some black chickens


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Answers from Malaysians and Singaporeans

LEE KUAN YEW (Former Prime Minister Singapore):
We have installed crossing lights at all traffic junctions. All chickens should be able to cross safely to the other side.


LEE HSIEN LOONG (Current Prime Minister Singapore):

Gantry points have been set up. All chickens wanting to cross the road are advised to top up their cash cards first.


ABDULLAH BADAWI (Current Prime Minister Malaysia):

We have to be fair to all chickens. Some want to cross over the road, some do not. ........ Zzzzzz .......zzzzzz ....... Now what were we talking about? Ah yes, chickens. We will form a Royal Commission to decide whether it is right for them to cross the road.


MAHATHIR (Former Prime Minister Malaysia who MUST migrate now):

Now even the non-bumi chickens want to cross the road? How can they disrespect and disregard the bumi chickens? We must be allowed to crossover first. It is our right!


SAMY VELU (Former Minister of Works Malaysia):

After we have erected the toll booths, all chickens are free to cross the road.


ANWAR (Opposition party leader Malaysia – now PM-in-Waiting)):

We have enough chickens waiting to cross over in September.


My little Contribution. Feel free to come up with your own. After all, this is what Democracy is all about.


Najib (DPM Malaysia – Now looking for eggs before they become more chickens)

Dead chickens can't cross the road. I blew them up with C4 !


Saiful (Najib;s Rear Intelligence)

Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I will find out.


SIL ( AIR Apparent – Apparently)

If you saw me coming, you'd cross the road too.


Syed Hamid Alba (Home Minister cum DNA Profiler wannabe)

Are you sure it was a chicken and not a duck?. Are you sure there is no sinister motive? Let's wait for the DNA results. (DNA- Does Not Apply)


KellyvilleACE

In the interest of Democracy, Equality, Accountability, and Transparency, the chicken found it necessary to cross the road.


ALL ANAK ANAK BANGSA of the NEW MALAYSIA !!

What chicken? This Rooster has come home to rule!!

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contribution from bob kee:

Lim Guan Eng:

There's no chicken, only a CAT!
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contribution from steven sim:

NECF: The chicken crossing the road? Let's fast and pray for journey mercy.


Brian McLaren: The chicken crossing the road? How's the journey so far?

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Update (12/9): 

 from the reb:


Khairy: Chicken cross the road? Did it first get permission from the 4th Floor boys?


Muhiyyidin: Because it is coming back to join UMNO.


Ahamd Ismail: That's no chicken. It is a 'pendatang' trying to squat illegally on our side of the road.


Badawi: (Today)  I am surprised the chicken chose to cross the road. It angered the chickens on the other side. (Tommorrow) I am angry that the chicken crossed the road. I already told it not to cross the road. (The day after tommorrow) I checked with the chicken. It said it is ok for it to cross the road. (Two days after tommorrow) I want the chicken to apologize for crossing the road....